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Webdrifter
11-11-2003, 03:55 AM
I'm trying to keep my supplement budget to $100 a month or less. I buy most of my sups online from different websights these prices are from sportsupplements. c o m . So far I've looked at ... EAS Phosphagen HP, 42 at about $20 .... ErgoPharm 1AD at $34 .... ErgoPharm 6-OXO at $27 .... Optimum Pro Complex protien at $37. I am figuring the 1AD and the 6-OXO as actually a two month supply considering two weeks on and two off. This comes to around $95 per month including shipping. What supplements will give me the biggest bang for my buck on this budget? Any better ideas on supplementation will be greatly appreciated.

Webdrifter
11-16-2003, 03:57 PM
Will,
I've been working out for around 20 years, but I've never done it in an organized fashion as far as keeping a log, taking supplements, and eating right. Now at 44 years young I've decided to take it to another level, My goal is to be in the best shape of my life for the rest of my life. so I've decided to purchase some supplements to aid in this quest. Being a working man on a budget I'm trying to do this with the least impact on the family income as possible. I'm listing what I ordered last night, and I would like your opinion as well as the opinion of other Muscle building nutrition members. .. List as follows: ErgoPharm 1-AD 60 caps, ErgoPharm 6-OXO, ProLab creatine 1000gr, Optimum flax seed oil 1000mg, proLab Glutamine 400gr, and HDT pro-blend 55 protien with the following Amino Acid Profile:

L-Leucine 5,254 mg
L-Isoleucine 3,294 mg
L-Valine 2,645 mg
L-Lysine 4,560 mg
L-Methionine 1,172 mg
L-Phenylalanine 2,048 mg
L-Threonine 2,983 mg
L-Tryptophan 998 mg
L-Alanine 2,672 mg
L-Arginine 1,637 mg
L-Aspartic Acid 5,527 mg
L-Cystine 821 mg
L-Glutamic Acid 8,919 mg
L-Glycine 1,339 mg
L-Histidine 965 mg
L-Proline 3,021 mg
L-Tyrosine 1,468 mg

All of this came to a total cost of around $140.00, but some of the items such as the creatine, and the Glutamine will las for several months, so I figure this at around $2.50 per day total cost. I did purchase additional L-glutamine , and now I'm wondering if it is necessary to buy additional supplements such as L-Arginine, and L-Glutamine or does the protien that I purchased have sufficient amounts in it?. I'm also assuming that L-Glutamine, and L-Glutamic Acid are one and the same. It seems like L-Arginine and L-Glutamine are getting a lot of attention, and I wanted to be sure that I was getting what I needed without wasting my hard earned money. Thanks for any info guys.

erp7e
11-17-2003, 02:09 AM
At that budget (which is higher than my budget BTW) I would stick to lots of protein powder and creatine. I'm pretty limited on my budget too, and I just can't justify spending money on anything but those two things right now. Often I meet people who are on all kinds of esoteric supplements but don't have enough protein powder to get their protein requirements every day, and at convenience (i.e., supplement bars to get enough protein while at work, etc.).

Webdrifter
11-17-2003, 02:48 AM
Thanks erp7e,

I just made an internet order similar to what I mentioned, but with a few differences. I now think that my money may have been better spent on a better quality protien, and a better quality creatine. I will try what I ordered, and adjust my supplements accordingly.

Simon
11-17-2003, 10:17 AM
Originally posted by Webdrifter
Thanks erp7e,

I just made an internet order similar to what I mentioned, but with a few differences. I now think that my money may have been better spent on a better quality protien, and a better quality creatine. I will try what I ordered, and adjust my supplements accordingly.

My personal advice if your really broke is to concentrate as Erpe7e said on creatine and protein powder or even IMO just protein powders.

Ify your going to spend money on creatine, then ONLY buy the plain ol Creapure creatine with no sugar. You pay whay over the odds for sugar laden creatine products like Celltech.

I would concentrate almost without reserve on your protein intake because it's the one factor that will make or break you in terms of gaining mass.

Also don't get to hung up on sheer quality of protein powders, although certainly the likes of something like Optimum Whey isn't going to contain a lot of the health benefits etc of say a LEF way or isn't going to have IMO the benefits of a great blend like Isomatrix or Micellean it will fullfill the important criteria which is to make it easy for you to eat plenty of protein which is much more important , when on a budget.

I would concentrate on two things.

1) A half decent Whey protein, Optimumi s ok, but I would favour a more middle of the road product like Simply Whey by EAS or another of those cheep ones, and also try and locate a cheap casein product, preferably micellar casein, and blend them together, giving you the best of both worlds.

Creatine can be purchased quite cheaply now, I suggest only purchasing a creapure brand, none of the others can currently be 100% guranteed of being pure, most big companies use CREAPURE creatine, check the label.

With the money you have saved I would then put aside a little each month then go buy yourslelf a good 1-Test PH, I personall think 1AD is a little weak and generally onlyl results in 3-4 lbs of mass, whereas a good 1-test product will achieve double that.

Above all though, I go back to the protein, if I could only have one supplement it would be protein powder it's the cornerstone of your entire diet, without it, I don't see anybody making real progress irrelevant of how many PH's or creatine you take.

Alternatively you can just eat a lot of whole food protein, but that's bloody hard to do , and actually a whole lot less economical.

SIMES

PatS
11-17-2003, 11:58 AM
Originally posted by SIMES
Alternatively you can just eat a lot of whole food protein, but that's bloody hard to do , and actually a whole lot less economical.


While I agree in theory to all of this, I can easily get in 200g+ or more of protein on whole foods with thing like eggs, chicken, and maybe tuna, etc. Although I'd be doing a middle of the road protein on a budget, my number one entry on my list would be EFAs. Udo's Choice oil, bought in multiples to save money. Second would probably be a quality multi. Sometimes eating whole foods does get boring, but so does taking powders.

Don't get me wrong, I'd do the protein powder, it just wouldn't be the first thing on my list.

PatS.

Simon
11-17-2003, 12:01 PM
Originally posted by PatS
While I agree in theory to all of this, I can easily get in 200g+ or more of protein on whole foods with thing like eggs, chicken, and maybe tuna, etc. Although I'd be doing a middle of the road protein on a budget, my number one entry on my list would be EFAs. Udo's Choice oil, bought in multiples to save money. Second would probably be a quality multi. Sometimes eating whole foods does get boring, but so does taking powders.

Don't get me wrong, I'd do the protein powder, it just wouldn't be the first thing on my list.

PatS.

Actually , bloody good point Pat re the EFA's, my second/first choice would be Udos choice or Flax, as I rely on it even more than my protein powder...

Good point well made..

SIMES

erp7e
11-17-2003, 06:23 PM
The reason I'm big on protein powders (and bars, shakes, etc.) is I don't have the time or place to make whole-food protein meals every 2-3 hours while I'm at work. I imagine many others are in the same position. I really only sit down to eat 2 or 3 times a day, so the rest of the time I need something I can eat on the run.

Even if I did have the time, I was not blessed with the appetite to wolf down a couple chicken breasts 5 or 6 times a day. I'd gag.

Good point on the creatine, Simes. Plain ol' creatine is best. Another subtle point about creatine, I just have to say this, is it has to be DISSOLVED in the water you drink in order for it to be absorbed properly. DISSOLVED means the water looks clear; you can't see anything. This means you will need a rather large quantity (40 oz. or so) of water to dissolve 10 g of creatine. Using warmer water helps, of course, although the taste might not be the icy cool you're used to. Get a big Nalgene bottle, fill it in the morning, put your creatine in it, and drink it all day. When it gets low, if there's still sediment of creatine, fill it back up and redissolve. I can't emphasize this enough. When you drink free creatine in water, the osmotic pressure in your large intestine causes flux of water into it, presto, DIARRHEA. Ask anyone who says creatine does nothing for them and that they have GI side effects; I can almost guarantee they do not dissolve their creatine before drinking it.

Simon
11-17-2003, 06:29 PM
Originally posted by erp7e
The reason I'm big on protein powders (and bars, shakes, etc.) is I don't have the time or place to make whole-food protein meals every 2-3 hours while I'm at work. I imagine many others are in the same position. I really only sit down to eat 2 or 3 times a day, so the rest of the time I need something I can eat on the run.

Even if I did have the time, I was not blessed with the appetite to wolf down a couple chicken breasts 5 or 6 times a day. I'd gag.

Good point on the creatine, Simes. Plain ol' creatine is best. Another subtle point about creatine, I just have to say this, is it has to be DISSOLVED in the water you drink in order for it to be absorbed properly. DISSOLVED means the water looks clear; you can't see anything. This means you will need a rather large quantity (40 oz. or so) of water to dissolve 10 g of creatine. Using warmer water helps, of course, although the taste might not be the icy cool you're used to. Get a big Nalgene bottle, fill it in the morning, put your creatine in it, and drink it all day. When it gets low, if there's still sediment of creatine, fill it back up and redissolve. I can't emphasize this enough. When you drink free creatine in water, the osmotic pressure in your large intestine causes flux of water into it, presto, DIARRHEA. Ask anyone who says creatine does nothing for them and that they have GI side effects; I can almost guarantee they do not dissolve their creatine before drinking it.

Which is yet another reason why I favour micronised Creapure, because half your job's already done.

SIMES

Webdrifter
11-18-2003, 02:05 AM
Thanks for all the great input guys. Like I said I've already got an order on the way that contains Ergopharm 1-AD, 6-OXO,

Webdrifter
11-18-2003, 02:32 AM
(It posted my message before I got through as I was typing somehow.) Anyway like I stated above I ordered 1-AD, 6-OXO, HDT pro blend-55, Prolab creatine, Optimum flaxseed oil, and Prolab Glutamine. I think next order I'll use your advice and buy more and better protien and buy some udos oil. I also have another post asking if buying L-Glutamine, and L-Arginine is necessary because the protien that I've purchased has L-Glutamic Acid 8,919 mg and L-Arginine 1,637 mg in it. If someone could answer this question in this post, the other post will be of no use, and SIMES can delete it, or merge it here to keep from taking up space. My other post is at:

http://www.bodybuildingrevealed.com/members/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1174

Once again thanks for all the great help guys.

PatS
11-18-2003, 12:06 PM
Originally posted by Webdrifter
I think next order I'll use your advice and buy more and better protien and buy some udos oil. I also have another post asking if buying L-Glutamine, and L-Arginine is necessary because the protien that I've purchased has L-Glutamic Acid 8,919 mg and L-Arginine 1,637 mg in it.

you'll be ready for the next time you order and may even have better ideas by then.

Both Glutamine and Arginine are covered in the ebook with Will's recommendations. With that said, I do glutamine personally for insurance (maybe). I can't say if I've gotten anything out of it or not. I started that way back when to help combat severe doms, or so I thought. But if I were on a restricted budget it would be considered a luxury and not a necessity IMO.

PatS.

PatS
11-18-2003, 12:13 PM
Originally posted by erp7e
Even if I did have the time, I was not blessed with the appetite to wolf down a couple chicken breasts 5 or 6 times a day. I'd gag.


Anyone else I'd be saying that the amount of time you have is usually a function of the amount of desire you have to accomplish something. However, knowing what you do I'm really surprised you have enough time to do anything even remotely related to this stuff. If it were me my days off would probably be spent sleeping. You do get a day off now and then don't you?

I take one of my days off and prepare a weeks worth of meals in fast single servings so that I'm ready for the entire week. It's pretty much a have to for me since I travel every week, but even when I'm at home I do the same. Once you get in the habit it's just too convenient to do otherwise.

I find that say a sandwich made from egg whites and whole grain bread is less filling than an MRP. Different tolerances I guess.

PatS.

erp7e
11-18-2003, 02:34 PM
That's a good point, PatS. I think the main problem is my appetite.

Regarding the other supplements you ordered, drifter, I don't think they are bad choices at all. I think some of the prohormones are getting to be *almost* justified to buy now, including the ones you mentioned. They're so expensive for what they actually do for you. I'm also kinda skeptical of any alleged hormone/prohormone taken orally.

Glutamine and flax oil are excellent, excellent supplements. The suggested use of glutamine involves relatively high doses (40g/day and up), again cost-prohibitive. I think my issue with supplements like that is such a large quantity is required for significant impact. Therefore, if you are on a budget, I feel you are better off not buying them at all then to buy just a little bit of them and have little impact.

But if money is no issue, I think glutamine and flax oil are right there with whey protein and creatine.

astrea
12-05-2003, 02:25 AM
Originally posted by erp7e
The reason I'm big on protein powders (and bars, shakes, etc.) is I don't have the time or place to make whole-food protein meals every 2-3 hours while I'm at work. I imagine many others are in the same position. I really only sit down to eat 2 or 3 times a day, so the rest of the time I need something I can eat on the run.

Even if I did have the time, I was not blessed with the appetite to wolf down a couple chicken breasts 5 or 6 times a day. I'd gag..

Great lord erp, you certainly seem to be in either black or white style :-))
Can you really suck those protein milk shakes all day long or chewing on the bars? I may be from another planet but that would most likely kill me ;-))
Maybe the flax oil takes care of the intestines after that regimen...

I went half way: chicken once and shake next time, maybe salmon next... ..planning the food actually works just beautifully for me and I do not mean any culinary French cuisine cooking in the middle of the board meeting...or running around with a sofisticated cooler.

Anyhow, my question was:

The bars seem to contain a lot of sugar ....how about that? Are they really a decent MRstuff to be trusted?
Personally I have them only when the sweet tooth mode grabs me.

Enlighten me , please.