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bettrave
05-23-2004, 02:45 AM
Hi, my cat was diagnosed with mammary cancer.
The tumor was remove thursday the 13th.
After that, the cat had bleeding problems.
My wife and I had a terrible week.
The veterinarian suggested, after consulting with an oncologist, to have all mammary glands removed. We're talking of 2000$.
Also, maybe some chemiotherapy would be needed. Another 1000$.

We do love our cat, but that's too much money.
So, we considered natural way as treatment.
I have read on the internet about antioxidants that help for cancer.
But, we have a hard time finding how much of each different antioxidants is needed for a cat (10-11 lbs).
The link for the only webpage on recommended dosages of different antioxidant (but we would like to see a confirmation of those numbers):
http://ighawaii.com/naturally/newsletter/cancersup.html
We found some products, but some are caps and we would prefer liquid or powder.
We had to give something to improve appetite, it was caps and it was so hard to make it swallow. We don't want to have to do that everyday. I found a product that seems to be good, but it's in caps:
http://www.thorne.com/veterinary/detail.lasso?id=V943

We found something from life extension, but the dosage seems quite low even for a 10lbs cat(based on the webpage we found about dosage).
The link for the life extension product:
http://www.lef.org/newshop/items/item00545.html?source=DeathClock&key=DWProducts


It "seems" that homeopathy could help. Someone suggested Rescue Remedy made by BACH. It doesn't do something directly to the cancer, but would help with is "mood". Experience has prooven that someone in a good mood will cure more rapidly.

A product containing sterols and sterolins was also recommended.
The link of the product:
http://www.moducare.com/prodmoduvet.asp

So, if someone can help us, we would be very grateful.

Thank you.

Boxer
05-23-2004, 05:01 AM
Sorry if I dissapoint you but I don't believe any of that will work.

Some of the advice on the internet is dangerous and sadly some humans would also try and rid themselves of cancer before seeing a doctor.

You will have to pay the money i'm afraid.

Just my opinion.

elissalowe
05-23-2004, 12:56 PM
Originally posted by bettrave
Hi, my cat was diagnosed with mammary cancer.
The tumor was remove thursday the 13th...


I'm truly sorry to hear about your cat - my husband and I are "cat people" too.

You don't have too many choices here - we also would be very reluctant to pay that much money for surgery, regardless of how much we love our cat. So, exploring alternative treatments to improve your cat's quality of life makes sense. As Boxer pointed out, they may not be effective, but when the only other options are a) do nothing and hope for the best; or b) euthanasia; it's worth a try.

You should try to locate a vet with experience in alternative medicine to advise you - they do exist (we used one when we lived in Sacto, CA). I did a quick search on the subject and came up with the following links that may help you find one:

http://vbma.org/index.html (Veterinary Botanical Medicine Association)

http://www.ahvma.org/ (American Holistic Veterinary Medicine Association)

Best of luck,
Elissa

WillBrink
05-23-2004, 03:27 PM
Originally posted by bettrave
Hi, my cat was diagnosed with mammary cancer.
The tumor was remove thursday the 13th.
After that, the cat had bleeding problems.
My wife and I had a terrible week.
The veterinarian suggested, after consulting with an oncologist, to have all mammary glands removed. We're talking of 2000$.
Also, maybe some chemiotherapy would be needed. Another 1000$.

We do love our cat, but that's too much money.
So, we considered natural way as treatment.
I have read on the internet about antioxidants that help for cancer.
But, we have a hard time finding how much of each different antioxidants is needed for a cat (10-11 lbs).
The link for the only webpage on recommended dosages of different antioxidant (but we would like to see a confirmation of those numbers):
http://ighawaii.com/naturally/newsletter/cancersup.html
We found some products, but some are caps and we would prefer liquid or powder.
We had to give something to improve appetite, it was caps and it was so hard to make it swallow. We don't want to have to do that everyday. I found a product that seems to be good, but it's in caps:
http://www.thorne.com/veterinary/detail.lasso?id=V943

We found something from life extension, but the dosage seems quite low even for a 10lbs cat(based on the webpage we found about dosage).
The link for the life extension product:
http://www.lef.org/newshop/items/item00545.html?source=DeathClock&key=DWProducts


It "seems" that homeopathy could help. Someone suggested Rescue Remedy made by BACH. It doesn't do something directly to the cancer, but would help with is "mood". Experience has prooven that someone in a good mood will cure more rapidly.

A product containing sterols and sterolins was also recommended.
The link of the product:
http://www.moducare.com/prodmoduvet.asp

So, if someone can help us, we would be very grateful.

Thank you.

Wish I had more info for you, but I am not a cat expert myself. I do know that the LEF does have pet specifc vitamins, and I don't see any reason you could not adopt parts of the LEF cancer protocol to a cat. However, don't think the "natural" route is cheap, it's not. It also tends to be far more labor intensive. I would say your best bet is to find an alternative med vet (which do exist) and work with them. I my sister brings her cats to an alternative vet, and has been very happy with the results.

ray2nite
05-23-2004, 03:44 PM
I am very sorry to hear about your cat.

I have lost two cats to cancer in the last twenty years. I have to agree with Boxer; I dont think these treatments will work. But you never know for sure unless you try them. It s a difficult decision to make.

Good luck.

erp7e
05-23-2004, 05:53 PM
I'm sorry to hear that. I can appreciate that losing or the thought of losing a pet can be very difficult.

I don't intend to be insensitive, and my remarks here are nothing but the most honest advice I can give. But I don't believe the alternative treatments you speak of will be of much help in combating your cat's illness.

I'm in medical, not vet, school, but we're both mammals so there are some similarities. The pain associated with the course of malignancies can be excruciating. Treating your cat with ineffective therapies that don't affect the disease may simply make her suffer a great deal of pain. Since you care a great deal for your cat, I'm sure that's something you do not want.

I think you and your wife should consider three basic options:

1) Get the surgical and chemotherapeutic treatment.
2) Contact a vet who is willing to administer pain management to your cat. This could be dicey but you may be able to find a vet who can help you. This way, even though you may not cure the cancer per se, at least your cat will not be in pain.
3) Euthanasia is an option to consider, either now or in the future if the course worsens. Often, family members prefer a very sick patient to be "kept alive" although the patient is in immense pain and is suffering miserably. In these cases, although difficult, you have to consider your own wishes to "keep" that person (or cat, or any loved one/pet) around vs. what is truly best for that person's quality of life.

Again, not meant to be insensitive, and the decision is obviously in you and your wife's hands. Just offering my take on the situation.

Good luck.

mully
05-23-2004, 08:55 PM
When my daughter was diagnosed with leukaemia last year, we spent many long hours discussing her treatment options with highly-qualified and caring doctors and consultants. So-called "alternative" treatments were also discussed in great detail. The doctor who was in charge of her treatment, a remarkably kind and compassionate man, said something to me when I asked a question similar to yours about anti-oxidants and natural immune system boosters. He told me that if it was a touch of flu, or a heavy cold,then yes, some of the natural remedies might have some use. He then said words to the effect that to use them in the face of such a disease as my daughter's would be like trying to stop the tide with a sponge. Just a whole different league.

I don't buy into the "conspiracy" theory whereby the drug companies are suppressing results of "alternative" treatments. I tried to contact some of the biggest players in the "alternative" treatment field during my daughter's illness, just to ask if they had information on her particular condition. I didn't send any money. Not one replied to my e-mails.

If we had our time again, and I had to help my daughter make a decision on her treatment, I would, without the slightest shadow of a doubt, steer her towards the treatment which had some documented measure of success, and that would be conventional treatment, even though, in her case, her condition proved incurable and we lost her last November.

In short - I don't believe these alternative treatments work. And believe me, I read absolutely everything I could on the subject. If they worked, they wouldn't be alternative, no matter WHAT the conspiracy theorists say. There are just too many people within the drugs industry who would know what was going on, and it would be impossible to keep them all quiet.

Use them if you will, but don't expect much, and try to ensure that your feline friend isn't in pain. Pain and fear is harder to watch than death. I know this, believe me. I really would consider ending its suffering, if it were my cat.

Stephen