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aidan
12-16-2005, 05:34 AM
Something that makes me wonder...

The subject...male of 90kgs and 6% bodyfat

This guy has trained for several years and has achieved his desired body per se. He continues going the gym 3-4 times weekly, varying his lifts/ routines, but gaining strength (not excessive but steady gains). He keeps his calorie intake at maintenance levels as he doesn't want excess bodyfat. What happens to this guy???

Does he become more muscular in the absence of additioal calories?
With the strength gains, will the muscles grow? ie Look bigger without additional weight.

The reason I ask this is that a friend of mine weights 2-3kgs less than me, same height, same age, but is about 5% stronger in the big lifts and has bigger muscles, broad back, bigger arms, chest, just very solid...it baffles me! He has been training about 2 years more than me and is dedicated. Is it purely genetics???
i got Ian Kings book of muscle and some of the physiques on the guys in that book are awe inspiring. These guys can only be 90kgs max but are in superb shape. In my pic on the board, I was 79kgs with about 8% bf. Can I add only a few more kilos yet achieve this awesome build??? In time of course.....

erp7e
12-18-2005, 06:45 AM
It is difficult to say, depending on a number of factors, with maintenance calories your hypothetical and/or real individual could either get more or less muscular, or stay the same. Likewise he could get weaker, stronger, or stay the same. There are a number of combinations of all of these outcomes, nine if my math is correct. It is all up to the specific nutrition and training decisions this person makes.

Depending on body structure people can have a similar body weight and even bodyfat % and look quite different. People carry weight in different areas, consider skeletal structure, plus you have to consider the weight of non-muscular tissue, length of tendons and muscle bellies and resultant effect on muscle appearance, location of origins, insertions, etc. - all these factors and many more affect the appearance of muscles. Also the places one stores fat vary from individual and thus change the appearance. This is why not everyone with 5% body fat can be a Men's Health cover model, and not everyone who is 5-9, 280 pounds with 8% body fat can be a bodybuilder. For example there are many people who could match Ronnie Coleman's stats, but few who could stand next to him physique-wise. Some people just have more general aesthetic quality than others.

The fact that your friend is stronger is quite easy to explain since strength depends on so many neural and leverage factors, far beyond cross sectional area of muscle, but I have discussed these issues in another thread so I won't rehash them here.

aidan
12-18-2005, 12:18 PM
interesting stuff...

erp7e
12-19-2005, 05:57 AM
So basically it comes down to what do you want to achieve, and how to achieve it. For maintaining body weight while simultaneously improving body comp (i.e. gaining muscle while losing fat, while maintaining the same overall size), I believe something along the lines of Poliquin's German Body Comp is a good approach.