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01-06-2006, 09:37 PM
I just snagged this (news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060105/od_uk_nm/oukoe_uk_religion_court_2)...

By Phil Stewart Wed Jan 4, 10:28 PM ET

ROME (Reuters) - Forget the U.S. debate over intelligent design versus evolution.

An Italian court is tackling Jesus -- and whether the Roman Catholic Church may be breaking the law by teaching that he existed 2,000 years ago.

The case pits against each other two men in their 70s, who are from the same central Italian town and even went to the same seminary school in their teenage years.

The defendant, Enrico Righi, went on to become a priest writing for the parish newspaper. The plaintiff, Luigi Cascioli, became a vocal atheist who, after years of legal wrangling, is set to get his day in court later this month.

"I started this lawsuit because I wanted to deal the final blow against the Church, the bearer of obscurantism and regression," Cascioli told Reuters.

Cascioli says Righi, and by extension the whole Church, broke two Italian laws. The first is "Abuso di Credulita Popolare" (Abuse of Popular Belief) meant to protect people against being swindled or conned. The second crime, he says, is "Sostituzione di Persona", or impersonation.

"The Church constructed Christ upon the personality of John of Gamala," Cascioli claimed, referring to the 1st century Jew who fought against the Roman army.

A court in Viterbo will hear from Righi, who has yet to be indicted, at a January 27 preliminary hearing meant to determine whether the case has enough merit to go forward.

"In my book, The Fable of Christ, I present proof Jesus did not exist as a historic figure. He must now refute this by showing proof of Christ's existence," Cascioli said.

Speaking to Reuters, Righi, 76, sounded frustrated by the case and baffled as to why Cascioli -- who, like him, came from the town of Bagnoregio -- singled him out in his crusade against the Church.

"We're both from Bagnoregio, both of us. We were in seminary together. Then he took a different path and we didn't see each other anymore," Righi said.

"Since I'm a priest, and I write in the parish newspaper, he is now suing me because I 'trick' the people."

Righi claims there is plenty of evidence to support the existence of Jesus, including historical texts.

He also claims that justice is on his side. The judge presiding over the hearing has tried, repeatedly, to dismiss the case -- prompting appeals from Cascioli.

"Cascioli says he didn't exist. And I said that he did," he said. "The judge will to decide if Christ exists or not."

Even Cascioli admits that the odds are against him, especially in Roman Catholic Italy.

"It would take a miracle to win," he joked.

01-06-2006, 11:01 PM
I just snagged this (news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060105/od_uk_nm/oukoe_uk_religion_court_2)...

"It would take a miracle to win," he joked.

Man this world just gets stranger and stranger.

01-22-2006, 09:59 AM
Ah gee, live and let live I say... We'll all find out eventually, won't we? Still, I don't know why people have such a hard time with a man who said "love your neighbor as yourself" and "do unto others as you'd have them do unto you"... Foreign concepts today, eh? :rolleyes:

01-24-2006, 08:54 PM
They have such a hard time with Him because He also said that He was the only way to heaven. "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." Those are hard words to deal with when you are raised to believe that you are in control of your own destiny as well as raised in America where we have all bought into the Burger King commercial of years ago - "Have it your way." Our culture and society is so ingrained with the right to choose. Go into any grocery store and marvel over the choices available for dog or cat food. Honestly, why would a cat care if the beef they get is chunky or not. Jesus said there is no choice on how to get to heaven. It's me or nothing. It's a radical statement which goes against the desire of human nature and as such will produce radical reactions.

01-24-2006, 09:14 PM
Ooh, a segway into another great Nietzsche quote :

"In Heaven all the interesting people are missing."
-Friedrich Nietzsche

01-24-2006, 09:31 PM
Ooh, a segway into another great Nietzsche quote :

"In Heaven all the interesting people are missing."
-Friedrich Nietzsche
This is a segway: http://www.time.com/time/2001/segway/

FYI: it's "segue."

01-25-2006, 09:34 PM
Wow!! Those are cool...I seen 'em at Epcot... I hope they have Segways in Heaven!! :D

"In Heaven all the interesting people are missing."
-Friedrich Nietzsche

- I guess that's true if you consider Nietzshe interesting! HA-HA! I kill me!

I feel ya Wipastor..you're preaching to the proverbial choir, as they say...

And for the record, I love all people regardless of belief/race/creed/sex pref/etc.... I had a roommate at Officer Training School who was big time into philosophy - Plato, Nietzshe, etc. One of the best friends I've ever had....we had many spiritual - secular discussions and still maintained friendship/respect for each other. Love is all you need....and a quality whey/creatine MRP...

01-25-2006, 09:37 PM
...Love is all you need....and a quality whey/creatine MRP...
I'll drink to that! ;)

01-26-2006, 12:18 AM
Of course, if this guy is arguing that Jesus never existed, then he's also trying to up-end the Bible. I wouldn't want to be responsible for pushing people in the wrong direction. Besides that, there have been way too many things in the Bible that were proven true and correct.

01-31-2006, 05:20 AM
Priest talking about God = fine and dandy.

U.S. government legislating religious beliefs into public schools masquerading as 'science' = wrong and unconstitutional.