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Simon
06-27-2003, 10:02 AM
Anyone here old enough to remember the old crew of pro bodybuilders, Franco (the bat), Lou (the hulk) Ferigno?, all the old Pumping Iron crew that used to be grace all the bodybuilding mags?

If you remember them , who was your favourite. I am going to have to go for the sterotypical answer because he was the man that urged me to pick up a weight, ARNOLD!

But for posing I'll take Ed Corney, he was amazing and also Zane, and for sheer upper body size before his time I'll take Lou Ferigno.

Any takers?

Simon

Devildog
06-27-2003, 07:54 PM
I'd say Louie for sure. He was stuck in Brooklyn in some low-rate gym with a bunch of nobodys and he was two-time Mr. Universe. Plus, he literally was a hulk for his day. You gotta love Arnold too, but Louie is the people's champion.

Michael

Simon
06-27-2003, 08:40 PM
Originally posted by Devildog
I'd say Louie for sure. He was stuck in Brooklyn in some low-rate gym with a bunch of nobodys and he was two-time Mr. Universe. Plus, he literally was a hulk for his day. You gotta love Arnold too, but Louie is the people's champion.

Michael

Sure, and his father was a mental case from the looks of it. Lou also struggeled I beleive with dyslexia and he was deaf to boot in ear as I remember.

The guy had unfeasable size, cuts, and upper body proportions , and unlike Arnold, even now is in great shape, but for me I guess I just have to tip my hat to Arnold, his entire physique was just that more appealing to me, plus I guess as an impressionable teenager the movies only added to the foundations he had built in the pro bodybuilding scene.

Arnold was also a huge persona back then although many of the younger members of this board only see a pale immation of the Arnold of old, at one time, i remember there being talk of him running as president, (the man can't even legally do that ) .

It was Arnold fever at one point, he was on, in and around everything, the guy had unstoppable charimsa and Louie lacked that star quality.

I think probably Arnold and to a lesser degree Stallone got me to pick up a weight more than any other individuals.

Simon

Beachbetterbody
06-29-2003, 10:37 PM
I picked up my first Muscle Builder/Power ( now Muscle and Fitness) in 1978. Mike Mentzer was on the cover just winning the Universe with a perfect score. Seeing Robby Robinson in there just blew me away! The next issue had Robby's arm routine and the pics have motivated me to this day. The fact that he still competed a couple years ago was even better.
I have a bunch of old mags and books ( 3 More Reps etc) No better motivation than the old crew! Thanks for letting me remember them once again!!!

Simon
06-30-2003, 09:25 AM
Originally posted by Beachbetterbody
I picked up my first Muscle Builder/Power ( now Muscle and Fitness) in 1978. Mike Mentzer was on the cover just winning the Universe with a perfect score. Seeing Robby Robinson in there just blew me away! The next issue had Robby's arm routine and the pics have motivated me to this day. The fact that he still competed a couple years ago was even better.
I have a bunch of old mags and books ( 3 More Reps etc) No better motivation than the old crew! Thanks for letting me remember them once again!!!

Hi Beachbetterbody

Man, Robby Robinson, who then or since had a set of peaks like that, I figure he had a 20" arm then a GOLF ball placed on top of that for good measure.

Great physique, tight abs, flared back, awesome bic's and a real character. As you say, he had longetivity as well, he did the masters for years and placed pretty well.

Like you say, I still find watching or reading some old muscle mags to be great motiviation, I still feel (heretic here) that many of the old timers actually had better physqiues than 90% of the new breed.

There ain't many guys out there now who look as good as prime Arnold,, I think only Flex, Levrone(20lbs lighter) and a few others have surpassed those physquies, the rest may have more mass but at what cost?

Certainly at the cost of svelte lean tight waists and their health.

Jay looks pretty damm good, I think he's one of the very few on the top of his game who doesn't look terrible.

ps Did Robbie Robinson have a nickname? Sure it was something like the Dark Destroyer or something, I know Nigel Benn, had that nickname also, but was that Robbies?

Simon

Harry
06-30-2003, 11:42 AM
I'm pretty sure it was "The Black Prince", though I'm open for correction from someone who was actually alive in the sixties or seventies!

Simon
06-30-2003, 11:50 AM
Originally posted by Harry
I'm pretty sure it was "The Black Prince", though I'm open for correction from someone who was actually alive in the sixties or seventies!

ACtually Harry, that sounds very familiar, I think your right.

Simon

Beachbetterbody
06-30-2003, 05:22 PM
Yes Robby was "The Black Prince". I saw him in the Pittsburgh Gran Prix back in 79. He took the show and was awesome. Now, we're talkin about 25 years ago when nutrition, supplements, drugs, are NOTHING like today, yet the physiques on these guys b-l-o-w away today's bunch. Boyer Coe also had the "golfball" on top of his bicep. And hardcore? The pics of these "oldtimers" training, now THAT was intensity. Arnold had that cockiness back then and everyone knew they were beat and 25 years later... Where is Arnold now!!!!! Any bets on who of todays bunch will be a mega star 25 years from now???

bobdc
06-30-2003, 07:23 PM
I think any conversation about the great old-time bodybuilders has to include, Sergio Oliva (whom Ricky Wayne dubbed "the Myth"). Structurally, he had a better body than Arnold: tiny waist, huge lats, traps, great wheels (even his calves were incredible!), massive arms...imagine what he could've done with today's drugs, er supplements. Apparently, he used to eat hot dogs and Coca-cola, then go train for two and a half hours.

Simon
06-30-2003, 08:25 PM
Originally posted by bobdc
I think any conversation about the great old-time bodybuilders has to include, Sergio Oliva (whom Ricky Wayne dubbed "the Myth"). Structurally, he had a better body than Arnold: tiny waist, huge lats, traps, great wheels (even his calves were incredible!), massive arms...imagine what he could've done with today's drugs, er supplements. Apparently, he used to eat hot dogs and Coca-cola, then go train for two and a half hours.

Aye, for sure, we missed Sergio out, but I think he was slightly before Arnold wasn't he?

He really was a genetic freak of nature and I agree, he had a 'better' physique than Arnold, but to me somehow Arnolds' seemed more aesthetically pleasing, but for sure Sergio's was an almost unreal physique when , as you say, he was probably over training, not eating properly and had moderate drug usage.

Makes you wonder for sure, what he would have been like had he been around today, my bet is he would have wiped the floor with todays lot, probably bar none, he was that impressive.

Very few have the genetics of Sergio, I guess Flex, perhaps Levrone, Arnold, Haney, not many others.

Simon

Simon
06-30-2003, 08:29 PM
Originally posted by Beachbetterbody
Yes Robby was "The Black Prince". I saw him in the Pittsburgh Gran Prix back in 79. He took the show and was awesome. Now, we're talkin about 25 years ago when nutrition, supplements, drugs, are NOTHING like today, yet the physiques on these guys b-l-o-w away today's bunch. Boyer Coe also had the "golfball" on top of his bicep. And hardcore? The pics of these "oldtimers" training, now THAT was intensity. Arnold had that cockiness back then and everyone knew they were beat and 25 years later... Where is Arnold now!!!!! Any bets on who of todays bunch will be a mega star 25 years from now???

I can't see any of todays lot really being a major draw in 2 decades, most are so full of HGH and ROIDS, they coulnd't possibly keep this up for 20 more years.

A huge amount of them have terrible shape and no real natrual gifts, they are just training hard, eating well and taking all the required drugs to achieve the look they have.

There are a few, who could possibly keep on going into older age, the ones who look better than most of us do after 3 yrs of weights before they even pick a weight up.

I guess Skip, Flex and a few others could hold good size and excellent shape with only supplements and hard work but can they botered?

They all earn much better money now, and effectively can retire or run supplement lines and clothing etc, but long term competion ofr most is out I think.

Simon

Beachbetterbody
07-01-2003, 12:49 AM
I may be wrong but Arnold beat Sergio in either the Universe or Olympia. As always, Arnold used his mind to achieve victory. Apparently the two were posing down for the judges and Arnold said to Sergio. We gave them enough, let's get out of here. Sergio walked off and Arnold stayed and hit shot after shot!!!! Arnold won. Now isn't THAT classic Arnold??????

Simon
07-01-2003, 10:05 AM
Originally posted by Beachbetterbody
I may be wrong but Arnold beat Sergio in either the Universe or Olympia. As always, Arnold used his mind to achieve victory. Apparently the two were posing down for the judges and Arnold said to Sergio. We gave them enough, let's get out of here. Sergio walked off and Arnold stayed and hit shot after shot!!!! Arnold won. Now isn't THAT classic Arnold??????

:-) That sounds JUST like an Arnold technique ...

Dr.Scott
07-04-2003, 02:50 PM
I think Arnold was light years ahead of the pack...proportion...size...great poser...he had it all. Serge Nubret also looked great, but no calves.

Boyer Coe was a little thick in the waist and could never get the six-pack, but what biceps!

Simon
07-04-2003, 09:56 PM
Originally posted by Dr.Scott
I think Arnold was light years ahead of the pack...proportion...size...great poser...he had it all. Serge Nubret also looked great, but no calves.

Boyer Coe was a little thick in the waist and could never get the six-pack, but what biceps!

You know I completly forgot about the Frenchman. He looked fantastic. Had a beautiful physique, I would take it ten times over the majority of todays lot.

He was a huge propenent of high volume and high reps even back then.

I remember reading an article that said he would do 25 sets of bench press for 30 reps or more each.

Didn't seem to do him any harm.

BTW, I agree, although Sergio had the most unreal physique for his day ( in fact even now IMO) Arnolds phyique always looked the most appealing, better lines, somehow it just came together on stage.

Simon

Dr.Scott
07-05-2003, 08:56 PM
Two more very symmetrical bodybuilders I remember from that era (mid to late '70's) are Danny Padilla and a fellow from Belgium named Pierre Vandensteen (anyone remember him?).

Both were about Franco's height. Padilla was never really committed, and didn't have his head 100% into it, but had the genetic potential to win the Olympia, in my opinion.

Simon
07-05-2003, 09:59 PM
Originally posted by Dr.Scott
Two more very symmetrical bodybuilders I remember from that era (mid to late '70's) are Danny Padilla and a fellow from Belgium named Pierre Vandensteen (anyone remember him?).

Both were about Franco's height. Padilla was never really committed, and didn't have his head 100% into it, but had the genetic potential to win the Olympia, in my opinion.

Danny Padilla, wow this going back, yes I remember Danny, the original 'Giant Killer', had great genetics , little guy though as I remember.

The Belgium guy doesn't ring any bells, no, but Padiila for sure I remember him quite well.

Simon

Beachbetterbody
07-05-2003, 10:15 PM
I feel like I'm 20 again! Thanks for the memories. How bout Casey Viator? Won the Universe at 19 and disappeared. Reappeared during the 80's but didn't do a whole lot. Big rugged and rough but I don't think very cut. Didn't he train the Mentzer way? And now I bow my head in a moment of silence to the Hardcore Mentzer brothers. Mike and Ray, rest in peace.

supersparky
07-05-2003, 10:40 PM
I've heard that Arnold had calf implants...(http://www.fitnessgeared.com/showthread/t-12536.html).

I actually read this story elsewhere, but this is the only link I could find. Quite interesting really.

For me, he's ,still the king though. I remember being about 11 or 12 and going round to a friend's to watch "Commando" which he'd taped the night before. We re-wound the tape about 5 times just to see the scene where Arnie's carrying logs, and just marvel at his biceps!

Plus I went to a fancy dress party about a year back dressed as the Terminator... I ended up (at the end of the night, I might add) walking into the room butt-naked and saying "I need your clothes, your boots and your motorcycle" in a broad (and highly exaggerated!) Austrian accent. Don't know how they talked me into that one.....

Mind you, the birds LOVED it!! :D

Guess I've got Arnie to thank for more than one thing..... ;)

Simon
07-06-2003, 12:24 PM
Originally posted by Beachbetterbody
I feel like I'm 20 again! Thanks for the memories. How bout Casey Viator? Won the Universe at 19 and disappeared. Reappeared during the 80's but didn't do a whole lot. Big rugged and rough but I don't think very cut. Didn't he train the Mentzer way? And now I bow my head in a moment of silence to the Hardcore Mentzer brothers. Mike and Ray, rest in peace.

Yah, Casey was a Mentzer style guy. He wasnt' actually that big, in fact a lot of those guys wern't super huge, but he was in no worse condition bodyfat wise than any other in that era apat from a little later Zane, who did stand out.

Dr.Scott
07-06-2003, 04:05 PM
Albert Beckles had the most phenomenol biceps I've ever seen. Saw him at the Grand Prix in 1982.

Another great was Bill Pearl. Not very cut by today's standards, but great proportions. I believe he and Reg Park were Arnold's inspiration to take up the weights.

I never understood the fascination with Chris Dickerson. Great poser, great thighs and calves, but small arms. I preferred Zane's physique.

Simon
07-27-2003, 07:24 PM
Just check out these two, and this is like 25+ years ago. Don't tell my todays physiques are that amazing. These guys had all the muscle you need and still looked fantastic without looking pregnant.

A real bicep peak - pre synthol.....

Simon
07-27-2003, 07:26 PM
Just check this out....

Look at that waist to shoulder differential...

That's real genetics, the guy used to live on Coca Cola and hamburgers for years...