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Simon
07-27-2003, 07:37 PM
Who stands out for you know as having an awesome physique?

My bet is still for guy like Flex Wheeler, I actually think Jay Cutler is one of the very few big guys who looks good, I actually like Ronnie but his stomach looks hideous, much more GH and the guy will look like he swallowed a football.

See picture of Flex Attached

Lorraine
07-27-2003, 09:30 PM
Actually, I have 4 in no particular order...

Gunter Schlierkamp
Shawn Ray
Darrem Charles
Flex Wheeler

I believe that all have very eye-pleasing physiques and I don't mean that in a sexual way. When you look at them they are not sooo big that they look all freaky.

Simon
07-27-2003, 10:04 PM
Originally posted by Lorraine
Actually, I have 4 in no particular order...

Gunter Schlierkamp
Shawn Ray
Darrem Charles
Flex Wheeler

I believe that all have very eye-pleasing physiques and I don't mean that in a sexual way. When you look at them they are not sooo big that they look all freaky.


I know what you mean, even being a guy, Shawn, Darrem and Flex all just have sheer quality without sheer size, although Flex did start IMO getting a little to heavy , now he's back down like 20lbs he looks a whole lot better again. Shawn has always looked fantastic and he's been around a long time now.

Kevin Levrone used to have a great physique but I think he OD's now and has lost the fluid lines he once had from those small joints.

I guess they just didn't feel they can take on the likes of Ronnie, and Jay without the size.

I actually always think Milos Sarcev has a great physique, Brian Buchannan (old timer now) looked fantastic. Francis Benefato (spelling?) also looked superb and Bob Paris come to think of it had a great look.

See Attached image, great physque for back then.

jhrmartin
07-31-2003, 03:20 PM
I like the older guys; I guess their physiques somehow looked more balanced. I like Frank Zane, Bob Paris, and of course, Arnold. Zane is my favorite; I think his physique looked very healthy and almost natural. I don't really like the freaky look of today's guys except perhaps Flex Wheeler.

Simon
07-31-2003, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by jhrmartin
I like the older guys; I guess their physiques somehow looked more balanced. I like Frank Zane, Bob Paris, and of course, Arnold. Zane is my favorite; I think his physique looked very healthy and almost natural. I don't really like the freaky look of today's guys except perhaps Flex Wheeler.


I think that probably sums up the feelings for many, although Flex is not the only athlete out their still sporting a pleasing physique.

ps THis thread may be of interest to you:-
http://bodybuildingrevealed.com/members/board/showthread.php?threadid=510

KJL
08-01-2003, 10:45 AM
Favorites include Frank Zane (Gave guys with small bone structures, like myself, some hope.), Rich Gaspari, Shawn Ray, and of course Arnold.

In the natural category it would have to Skip LaCour. His willingness to share what he has learned over the years is second to none.

erp7e
09-14-2003, 05:40 AM
Flex Wheeler. I like the small bone structure guys who are about 5-9 (like me) but are jacked. Like an extra-jacked NFL running back or an MLB outfielder. The Marshall Faulk/Gary Sheffield physique. Guys who actually look like athletes. Guys who look like my goal. My goal is not to be a huge bloated blob who can't fit into cars.

I don't like some of the old-timer physiques, because although they were balanced and not overly bloated, their legs usually were very skinny. Did those guys even train hamstrings? Arnold had some of the worst legs.

One old-schooler I like is definitely Sergio Oliva. Amazing for his era. Serge Nubret too, and Frank Zane.

dgill888
09-18-2003, 03:18 AM
Wow we think a lot alike erp7e! I recall when I first bought the Weider book how amazed I was when I realized that those pics of Sergio Oliva were taken in the late '50s and the '60s. His V-taper is the most amazing I've ever seen. I also think that Serge Nubret had an amazing physique. His chest was great. And Gaspari in his prime....it's amazing how shredded that guy got for his day! But a personal fave has to be "Ageless" Albert Beckles. I mean, the guy won his first show at 57!!!! You've gotta give it up to a guy like that. Out of the new timers my faves are Flex, Shawn Ray, Ernie Taylor and Milos. Ronnie's arms are amazing, but his abs really do look sick.

I'd be interested to know who everyone sees as having the best bodyparts from old-schoolers and the newer guys. For instance, there's Platz for his legs, and Dickerson for his calves, right on up to Dorian's ridiculous lats.
-Dan

Simon
09-18-2003, 08:38 AM
Originally posted by dgill888
Wow we think a lot alike erp7e! I recall when I first bought the Weider book how amazed I was when I realized that those pics of Sergio Oliva were taken in the late '50s and the '60s. His V-taper is the most amazing I've ever seen. I also think that Serge Nubret had an amazing physique. His chest was great. And Gaspari in his prime....it's amazing how shredded that guy got for his day! But a personal fave has to be "Ageless" Albert Beckles. I mean, the guy won his first show at 57!!!! You've gotta give it up to a guy like that. Out of the new timers my faves are Flex, Shawn Ray, Ernie Taylor and Milos. Ronnie's arms are amazing, but his abs really do look sick.

I'd be interested to know who everyone sees as having the best bodyparts from old-schoolers and the newer guys. For instance, there's Platz for his legs, and Dickerson for his calves, right on up to Dorian's ridiculous lats.
-Dan

Agreed on Sergio man, check out this thread
http://bodybuildingrevealed.com/members/board/showthread.php?threadid=510

He was insane, can you imagine what he could have been if he was around in this era, with what we know now, and with all the chemical aids available to him.

Forget Jay, Forget Ronnie, they would be two different classes, Sergio and the rest.

Ps Nubret had a fantastic upper body.
Perhaps I shoudl merge these two threads together, the old timers and this favourite bodybuilders thread.

erp7e
09-22-2003, 01:53 AM
Oliva was definitely unreal. I agree, if he had all the drugs and diet knowledge that today's guys had, he could be 300 pounds and ripped. Apparently Oliva was a chill dude too, always presented himself well to the public and didn't wear clown pants and all that bs.

dgill888
09-29-2003, 05:43 PM
So what do you guys think of Tom Platz? He certainly had the most ridiculous legs of his day. He may even have to be credited with ushering in the new era, where guys can't win without having well-developed hammies. And he did a lot for bringing the spiritual side of bodybuilding into the limelight, as he was a rather insane advocate of the concept of instinctive training and the mind-muscle connection. But what do you think about his physique? Does he deserve to be considered one of the better guys of his day, or was it all just due to those incredible legs?

As for Sergio, right on. I'd love to see what that guy would look like today. He could probably still compete with the older guys and give Vince Taylor a run for his money.

Also, kudos to Robby Robinson. that guy's been competing since the '70s, right? Man, i'd love to look like that at his age! :)

Simon
09-30-2003, 12:12 PM
I think Platz had some of the greatest legs ever built in the sport , including the new breed, a few guys like De Mayo etc came close , Ronnie Colemans legs are fricken freaky, you can actualy see the veins in Ronnies legs through his training pants.

I don't think Tom, could be classified as a 'great' , certainly a great personality, and an enduring character but not in the top 10 bodybuilders of all time type rating.

Of course that's just my personal opinion.

dgill888
09-30-2003, 07:42 PM
Agreed on Platz. I just have to admire his love for the sport. I was one of those guys who bought everything that Leo Costa was selling, so I've seen how Tom works out, as well as his philosophies with training. He was certainly intimate with the iron game.

As for Coleman; I love his arms, his back, and his upper legs, but those abs......come on! I don't think he should ever take a show when he shares the stage with Flex. I mean, the abs are the centerpiece of the whole physique, the truest indicator of one's condition, and it's not like Ronnie's are filmed with fat by any means, but they just plain don't look right. It's all about aesthetics, and as far as I'm concerned, Flex is in a league of his own when it comes to that, at least out of the newer generation. The only big competition I see for him is Shawn Ray.

Simon
10-01-2003, 09:46 AM
Originally posted by dgill888
Agreed on Platz. I just have to admire his love for the sport. I was one of those guys who bought everything that Leo Costa was selling, so I've seen how Tom works out, as well as his philosophies with training. He was certainly intimate with the iron game.

As for Coleman; I love his arms, his back, and his upper legs, but those abs......come on! I don't think he should ever take a show when he shares the stage with Flex. I mean, the abs are the centerpiece of the whole physique, the truest indicator of one's condition, and it's not like Ronnie's are filmed with fat by any means, but they just plain don't look right. It's all about aesthetics, and as far as I'm concerned, Flex is in a league of his own when it comes to that, at least out of the newer generation. The only big competition I see for him is Shawn Ray.


Totally agree, whatever gains Ronnie achieved from the GH, it wasn't worth it. That gut is hideous, as you say it's totally ripped yet all his internal organs have swollen extending his gut horribly.

Such a shame, the dude is in a class of his own aside from that. Not even Jay can touch him on form.

I actually watched his video a few days ago, the Unbelievable, and he does look incredible apart from that gut. His back is unfeasable, talk about a genetic freak.

Flex always had one of the best bodies around, of course he's retired now properly so he will lose around 30-40,bs within the next 15-20 weeks, but he will still look great.

Shawn Ray still looks fantastic, agreed, give Sean 3 more inches in height and the equvalent extra mass that woudl allow and he would dominate everything IMO, even now.

dgill888
10-01-2003, 10:12 PM
That's a funny comment about Flex :). And it's a shame that height has kind of screwed over Shawn too, 'cuz with no Flex, he's top dog right now, as far as a truly aesthetic physique is concerned.

What do you think of Cormier, by the way? It seemed like he was heading up to the top of things a few year's back.

Simon
10-02-2003, 09:26 AM
Originally posted by dgill888
That's a funny comment about Flex :). And it's a shame that height has kind of screwed over Shawn too, 'cuz with no Flex, he's top dog right now, as far as a truly aesthetic physique is concerned.

What do you think of Cormier, by the way? It seemed like he was heading up to the top of things a few year's back.


I guess it's kinda funny about Flex, but I guess a little sad, that these guys, even Flex , who is fairly well known as a 'light' juicer, once off the roids will probably drop 15-20% of his bodyweight without his bacon and dianabol breakfast.

I agree with you on Sean, his physique is probably out on it's own now as far as pure perfection goes. I used to think Levrone had a beautiful physique, but he gained to much mass and runied those aesthics.

Milos has a nice physique, kind of a 'Francis Benefatto with mass' physique but of course Milos sort of retired a few months back as well.

The whole 'mass is king' judging ethic has made some great physiques lose their class IMO,. but Sean has stayed true to form, just concentrating on coming in sharp.

I think as far as the big guys go Jay is superb, I honestly think he should place above ROnnie, because Jay has NO gut, none, for a big guy Jay has great proportions, he looks fantastic, but Ronnie is just something else, almost staggering , until he releaxes that beachball somebody slipped under his abs.

Re Chris, Chris is stil up there IMO, amazing physique, strong guy, fairly well balanced physique, not much bad to say about Cormier, just don't think he's quite got the total package of mass, symetry , aesthics and presentation as some of the others, but on form, he' serious competition on any day of the week, I like his physique.

dgill888
10-09-2003, 02:18 AM
I definitely agree with you on Levrone. He used to be my fave next to Flex, but I thought he went overboard too. And as for the whole comment on the mass is king mentality, I couldn't have said it better myself. It's taking the art out of the sport. Now it's not even about genetics or aesthetics so much as a competition to see who can put more crap into their systems to get as big as possible. It's like now the "art" is going on INSIDE the body, and their "pocket endocrinologists" as I like to call them are the true "artists" responsible for what we see on stage.
It's a real shame. I used to look at these guys in awe and aspire to get as close to that as possible, but now it's just getting out of hand. Could you IMAGINE what these guys would look like if they really could inhibit the myostatin gene (besides petri dish babies)?!
As for Milos, agreed. I have no idea who that other guy is that you mentioned, but I've always admired his physique. It's not the size of the muscle that's paramount, but the shape of the physique that makes it an art, and he never lost sight of that. Kudos to he, Shawn, Flex, and Darrem Charles for never losing sight of that.

Simon
10-09-2003, 08:13 AM
Just two quick points, it turns out apparently Milos has not retired, only retired from top level competition (whatever that means). Who knows his on/off retirement gossip are second only to Lee Priest.

Re Francis Benefatto is was a very aesthitic guy who was popular around the early 90's as I remember, he was around the same time Bob Paris etc were around. ( I may be losing track here of time, but I think it was around 12 yrs ago or so.

Here's an image of the Paris

http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/francisbenfatto1.jpg

And another, a bit bulked

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/cmfg/100kg/benfat01.jpg

Back in the days when symmetry beat mass.

Here's Bob paris, another great lost phyique,

http://www.darkwoods.net/bodybuilder/male/bb/gallery/fullsize/paris27.jpg

These dudes just had good shape

dgill888
10-09-2003, 09:31 PM
Yeah, those guys did have some nice shape. But I like the guys with a bit better waist to hip, like Nubret. Or if they just had bigger lats rather than tiny waists like Nubret, a la Sergio.

That's cool that Milos hasn't retired. He has a pleasing physique, and he's still not lost much of anything, so I hope he keeps it up.

As for Priest, he's definitely freaky big, and just to see the guy makes you look on in awe...but he may NEED to retire, before he kills himself from all that crap he's on.

Simon
10-10-2003, 08:41 AM
Originally posted by dgill888
Yeah, those guys did have some nice shape. But I like the guys with a bit better waist to hip, like Nubret. Or if they just had bigger lats rather than tiny waists like Nubret, a la Sergio.

That's cool that Milos hasn't retired. He has a pleasing physique, and he's still not lost much of anything, so I hope he keeps it up.

As for Priest, he's definitely freaky big, and just to see the guy makes you look on in awe...but he may NEED to retire, before he kills himself from all that crap he's on.

Nubret was a freak though man. Did anyone have that small a waist then or since? It makes Flex look like his gut was distended. I think Serge was a freak of nature, his legs were mediocre but his upper body , Jesus

not to mention they guy did like 50 sets for back, 50 sets for chest, and normally ate all his calories in one massive meal.

Imagine if he wasn't overtraining and ate properly

Still, I suspect that marathon training sessions, burnt all the fat he ever needed.

dgill888
10-13-2003, 11:47 PM
How small WAS Nubret's waist? And where'd you see about Oliva's training protocol? I would be interested to see just what he was up to for all those years. I can't even imagine what he'd look like if he did everything right in terms of eating and training. I don't think you could make many improvements on that physique though. If I could pick one guy who's body I'd like to have, it'd definitely be Sergio. I know his legs didn't match up with any of today's guys, but I personally like legs like his over the tree trunks that everyone walks around with nowadays.